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Tottenham Hotspur 3-3 Arsenal Wednesday 20 April, KO: 19:45 GMT, White Hart Lane

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Tottenham Hotspur host Arsenal at White Hart Lane in the 32nd round of Premier League matches on Wednesday 20th April 2011.

The fixture was re-arranged as Arsenal reached the Football League Cup Final. This will be the 239th time the two teams have met.

Spurs v Arsenal is now one of the great rivalries in World Football but the fixture had very different beginings back in November 1887 when the clubs first met in a friendly played on Tottenham Marshes. Arsenal, then called Royal Arsenal, had been formed just a year earlier as Dial Square and were essentially the works team for the munitions factory situated in Woolwich, Kent, while Spurs who had been formed some five years earlier in 1882 still had many of the youngsters who founded the club playing for them. Spurs won that first encounter 2-1, although the game was cut short by 15 minutes, due to poor light conditions because of the Arsenal team turning-up late for the start.

Seven more friendlies were played between the two clubs from 1888 to 1896 with Spurs winning four and Arsenal winning three before their first competitive match in March 1899. By this time, Arsenal were re-named Woolwich Arsenal and the clubs met in the United League with the Gunners winning 2-1 at the Manor Ground in Plumstead while Spurs won the return match 3-2 at Northumberland Park.

Two matches were played within the same week in April 1900 in the Southern District Combination League with Spurs winning 4-2 at White Hart Lane which was followed by a 2-1 win to Arsenal at Plumstead in a game abandoned after 75 minutes due to "bad language". History doesn't provide the answer as to who was the guilty party! From 1901 to 1920, the clubs met in various minor competitions, friendlies and matches played during the First World War.

September 1913 proved to be a hugely important date in the history of both clubs as Arsenal controversially moved from south of the River Thames into the territory reserved for Tottenham Hotspur and Clapton (later Leyton) Orient, in clear violation of the rules and regulations governing such relocations as stipulated by the Football League. Despite bitter protests, Arsenal's move to Highbury (more correctly called Arsenal Stadium) was allowed.

White Hart Lane was requisitioned by the Army during WWI, so Spurs played many of their wartime matches at Highbury.

When League football resumed after the war in 1919, it was decided to once again expand the First Division from 20 teams to 22. The normal way of doing this had always been to add the top two clubs from the Second Division to those who were already in the First Division. However, there were complications arising from allegations of match-fixing from Liverpool and Manchester United during the final matches of the last season played before the League was suspended and it was felt that they would forfit their Top Flight status as a result.

From nowhere, Arsenal, who had finished sixth (later corrected to fifth) in the Second Division before the war were 'elected' to take Tottenham Hotspur's place in the First Division. Allegations of bribery persist to this day and Henry Norris (Arsenal's Chairman) was later given a lifetime ban from football from the Football League for underhand financial activities.

Spurs and Arsenal finally played their first Football League match in the First Division in January 1921 with Spurs winning 2-1 at White Hart Lane while Arsenal won the return match at Highbury 3-2. All 139 League games played to date have taken place in the Top Flight of English football.

Highbury was taken over by the Army during the Second World War and Spurs returned the favour by allowing Arsenal to play their wartime matches at White Hart Lane. Arsenal won the first FA Cup meeting between the two teams 3-0 in the 3rd Round in January 1949. The clubs have played five FA Cup matches to date with Spurs winning two and Arsenal winning three.

The first Football League Cup match took place in November 1968 with Arsenal winning the first leg of the Semi-Final 1-0 at Highbury and Spurs drawing 1-1 at White Hart Lane the following month. Of the 12 League Cup matches played so far, Spurs have won 3, Arsenal have won 6 and three games have been drawn.

Both Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur were founder members of the Premier League in season 1992-93 and both clubs are among the seven (Liverpool, Everton, Chelsea, Manchester United and Aston Villa are the other five) who have been ever-present during the 19 seasons of the competition.

Arsenal went two goals ahead by halftime in the reverse fixture this season at the Emirates in November 2010 but Spurs came back strongly with goals from Gareth Bale, Rafael van der Vaart (penalty) and Younes Kaboul to secure a 3-2 win.

As far as Football League / Premier League matches go, two player have both scored nine goals for Spurs against Arsenal - Billy Minter and Bobby Smith.

Three Arsenal players have each scored eight goals agianst Spurs - Robert Pires, Emmanuel Adebayor and Alan Smith.

There have been three hat-tricks scored during North London Derbies - Terry Dyson for Spurs and Ted Drake & Alan Sunderland for Arsenal.

Jimmy Robertson is the only player to score for both Spurs & Arsenal in a North London Derby.

Arsenal's David O'Leary has played in the most North London Derbies (35) while both Gary Mabbutt & Steve Perryman played 31 games with Spurs.

Overall, Spurs have won 86 of the 238 matches played against Arsenal with the Gunners winning 96 and 56 matches drawn.







They Played for Spurs & Arsenal....


Clive Allen
Charlie Ambler
Bob Arber (Arsenal player, Spurs reserves manager)
David Bentley
David Black
Anton Blackwood
Jimmy Brain
Laurie Brown
Walter Bugg
Lycurgus Burrows
Sol Campbell
Herbert Chapman (Spurs player, Arsenal manager)
Damien Comolli (Director of Football at both clubs)
Freddie Cox
James Delvin
Wilf Dixon (Spurs assistant manager, Arsenal trainer)
Jack Eggett
Tom Fitchie
Theo Foley (Arsenal assistant manager, Spurs reserves manager)
William Gallas
George Graham (Arsenal player, Spurs manager)
Vic Groves
Tom Hatfield
Stewart Houston (Assistant manager at both clubs)
Joe Hulme (Arsenal player, Spurs manager)
George Hunt
David Jenkins
Pat Jennings
Bill Julian
Peter Kyle
Neil Lacy
Bill Lane (Spurs player, Arsenal scout)
Peter McWilliam (Spurs manager, Arsenal scout)
Tom Meade
Billy Minter
Terry Naylor
Terry Neill (Arsenal player, Spurs manager)
Jamie O'Hara
Tom O'Shea
George Payne
Ron Piper
Tom Pratt
Rohan Ricketts
Jimmy Robertson
Andrew Swan
Walter Thomas
Erik Thorstvedt
Steve Walford
Ernie Walley (Spurs player, Arsenal coach)
Charlie Williams
Willie Young






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Posted 16 April 2011 - 11:25

It's here. The second leg of this season's North London Derby.

Last time we came out victorious with a glorious 2-3 win on enemy territory after a roller coaster of a second half. This time we will be looking to bounce back from our Champions League knock-out at the hands of Real Madrid. A win could prove vital for our top 4 chances while the same goes for Arsenal's slim title hopes.

Spurs injury woes just don't seem to end this season with Alan Hutton, Steven Pienaar, Ledley King, Jonathan Woodgate and Wilson Palacios all out injured.

Arsenal will miss Ramsey, Denilson, Djourou, Szczesny, Fabianski and Vermaelen due to injury.

Both teams are free of suspensions.
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Posted 16 April 2011 - 12:46

Tough match, Arsenal will be looking for revenge over the other match and they are also keeping title hopes alive. However we are at home and we need to get 4th this season. Would go with the same team that started against Stoke except maybe Lennon in for Pav if hes fit and convince VDV to get into the box more. Arsenal are not great in the air and Crouch should be able to get at them. COYSSSSSS
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Posted 16 April 2011 - 12:59

They will probably have to play Squillaci and Koscielny as centre back pairing and that make me really fancy our chances since those two are absolutely s***.

Let's also hope Almunia returns in goal since we all know what happened last season when he was in goal grinny.gif
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Posted 16 April 2011 - 18:50

"One match abandoned due to air raid (12-10-1940)" Arsenal must have been trailing and called it in...

I'm really hoping for a Almunia v. Crouch matchup....that plus their struggling centerback pairing and at home makes this the best chance of any for a back-to-back sweep.
Bale tearing down the left and a healthy-ish Lennon tearing down the right is what I'm hoping for. As long as they all have their heads' in the game and Gomes doesn't do anything stupid, I would give us a great chance of pulling out the victory.
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Posted 16 April 2011 - 19:32

Read somewhere that Szczesny will be fit for tomorrow's Liverpool game, so unfortunately the ultimate dream of thoroughly humiliating Mad Jens is probably over and we won't have the advantage of Almunia's ineptitude between the sticks either.
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Posted 17 April 2011 - 02:42

QUOTE (TommoSpur @ Apr 16 2011, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Read somewhere that Szczesny will be fit for tomorrow's Liverpool game, so unfortunately the ultimate dream of thoroughly humiliating Mad Jens is probably over and we won't have the advantage of Almunia's ineptitude between the sticks either.


Oh depressing news haha. I'm interested to see how Liverpool fairs tomorrow. They sure had their act together last week vs City! Arsenal might show us their weakness at CB....they sure don't seem watertight, especially through the air.
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Posted 17 April 2011 - 08:26

I think that we are pretty solid in defence, all we want to win this as far as Im concerned is for our strikers to start and do what they are paid for. then I predict 2-1 to us. They seem to be in a bit of a dissaray at the moment, with wenger on obout getting rid of players, etc so hopefully that will unsettle a few bodies.
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Posted 17 April 2011 - 11:42

QUOTE (SpursYankeeDivision @ Apr 17 2011, 03:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh depressing news haha. I'm interested to see how Liverpool fairs tomorrow. They sure had their act together last week vs City! Arsenal might show us their weakness at CB....they sure don't seem watertight, especially through the air.


Andy Carroll should destroy them in the air and Suarez will probably play excellently - once again showing us that if we'd done our business early in the January transfer window before the Torres money came in, not allowing the Scousers to panic-buy and prices to go sky-high - we'd've been laughing.
Best results for us are a Liverpool win or possibly a draw to halt their momentum, demoralised Goons would be a bonus!
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Posted 17 April 2011 - 11:59

looking forward to this match do much. the win against stoke and specially the first half performance has lifted my hopes of a great finish to this season, gotta hope it had similar effect to our team.

line up i'm hoping/expecting to see:

gomes
corluka-dawson-gallas-bae
lennon-hudd-modric-bale
vdv-crouch

few issues that i have are vdv,kaboul and sandro. for vdv it is vital that he really supports the strikers and stays up field, if not bring in pav who has been good lately and would deserve a starting place.
kaboul is simply a great player and his amazing athleticism is always a great asset. for future i expect him to come our leading cb with dawson. always when he is playing i feel more sure of our defense and i think he is exactly the kind of defender that most strikers hate to play against. but for this match i see corluka doing good againts arshavin/nasri on the right flank, were kaboul might rush in to things and get undone by their trickery. And Gallas is fired up for this derby for sure. but still i would not be disapointed to see kaboul in starting line up. pretty much the same goes for sandro, as his strengths and future expectations, but for this game i think there just is't room for him in starting line-up

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 12:08

I'd say this is a make-or-break game for our season, but I suppose every game is now!
We can do it, providing we play our best, and our defence is sharp. Too many times this season we have struggled to defend properly and lacked any guile or creativity up top.

Do those properly and we have a great chance against an unpredictable Arsenal side.

QUOTE (SpursYankeeDivision @ Apr 16 2011, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm really hoping for a Almunia v. Crouch matchup...

What difference would it make? It's not like you're allowed to challenge keepers for the ball. That was made more than evident against Stoke last week...
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Posted 17 April 2011 - 15:41

This is a must win game for us I feel if we want to get that 4th place and again get
CL football again next season.We have got a good team and we have got no other
distractions now so we can just consentrate on the PL.I will forecast a win for the
mighty Spurs because the boys will be up for this game.With Bale--VdV--Crouch
and we are pretty solid at the back and if Lennon--Modric--and Hudd play I just
cannot see Arsenal beating us and on the plus side the Arse are playing today
Sunday whereas our boys will be fresh for Wednesday.So I see the Spurs
winning this game at least 3--1 and going level with Man.City.

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 17:24

QUOTE (Millbanks @ Apr 17 2011, 08:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What difference would it make? It's not like you're allowed to challenge keepers for the ball. That was made more than evident against Stoke last week...

Haha, yes, truth.

Well Arsenal showed it can't score in 90min today and hopefully they'll be down about the Liverpool penalty and dashed titled dreams! Spurs will go into this game with more drive and heart. No stupid challenges and no goalkeeper gaffs I think will be the key to this one.
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Posted 17 April 2011 - 18:18

QUOTE (SpursYankeeDivision @ Apr 17 2011, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Haha, yes, truth.

Well Arsenal showed it can't score in 90min today and hopefully they'll be down about the Liverpool penalty and dashed titled dreams! Spurs will go into this game with more drive and heart. No stupid challenges and no goalkeeper gaffs I think will be the key to this one.

as micheal jackson said ! "dont blame it on the sunshine,dont blame it on the moonlight, dont blame it on the good times.. blame it on eboue" grinny.gif grinny.gif

man u get 3 points at newcastle on tuesday and i feel we can rip the "arse" out of them :
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Posted 17 April 2011 - 18:48

Was just taking pleasure from reading the distraught posts on Arsenal Mania and found this particular one highly entertaining, thought I'd share it with you boys...

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How many BLOOMING times are our players gonna let us down. We don't play against 11 men, we play against 22, BLOOMING joke. I've had to tone down this blogg cause mania won't allow me to post it but i've had enough. I didn't think things could get any worse but this just about tops it and at this rate there might be worse to come, tottenham wednesday and they won't mess around.


Hahahaha... Finally they're starting to get it, the pricks...
Perfect result today, demoralises the Goons and keeps the Bindippers off our backs, roll on 3 points come Wednesday! grinny.gif boxing.gif crest.gif
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Posted 17 April 2011 - 19:15

QUOTE (old grey yid @ Apr 17 2011, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
as micheal jackson said ! "dont blame it on the sunshine,dont blame it on the moonlight, dont blame it on the good times.. blame it on eboue" grinny.gif grinny.gif

man u get 3 points at newcastle on tuesday and i feel we can rip the "arse" out of them :

Quality, their players should be tired on Wednesday due to todays game going to extra time and penalties. dancing.gif
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Posted 17 April 2011 - 19:24

If anyone is going to this game, and is potentially interested in doing a small interview regarding Baddiel Bros anti Yid campaign, drop me a PM. I want to have a good few people lined up, if I do come down.

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 20:20

QUOTE (obi @ Apr 17 2011, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
line up i'm hoping/expecting to see:

gomes
corluka-dawson-gallas-bae
lennon-hudd-modric-bale
vdv-crouch


i like this lineup but i worry about our striker choices. have we ever not worried about that during this season?

i really enjoyed watching pav and crouch the other week and I wonder if this isn't the type of game where we could use them up front?

i feel like this could be the type of game where we put vdv on the right side of midfield, tell him to work his freaking ass off for 50-60 minutes, and then put lennon on to really test clichy and the lazy-as-@#$%-defensively arshavin.

i can see sandro for hudd around the 70 minute mark being beneficial too.

can't. freaking. wait to see this one go down!

what do you guys think about our situation up top?
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Posted 17 April 2011 - 21:01

QUOTE (SevenSteps2Kevin @ Apr 17 2011, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what do you guys think about our situation up top?


I think any of Eto'o, Hulk or Suarez would have been better Kev... rolleyes.gif Oh well!
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Posted 17 April 2011 - 21:51

QUOTE (TommoSpur @ Apr 17 2011, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think any of Eto'o, Hulk or Suarez would have been better Kev... rolleyes.gif Oh well!


crying.gif crying.gif crying.gif water under the bridge my friend, water under the bridge... crying.gif crying.gif crying.gif
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