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Posted 25 August 2018 - 18:13

View PostYidio Yidio, on 25 August 2018 - 18:08, said:

I don't give the crown up easily :niceone:




Have always said i am well behind you on form knowledge and i think that let me down today.

Couldnt believe i had 2 nags stopped while producing their runs today.

Stratus and Seniority would have finished in the first 3 in my opinion.

Ok bring the st leger meeting on next.
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Posted 25 August 2018 - 18:19

It was evident a lot at this meeting, I didn't fancy R Winston the jockey on Stratum. He basically sat mid division and tried to weave through closer to the far rail. Got shut out as many have trying to do the same on the other side earlier in the week. Does York narrow a lot towards the finish ? Space for late comers was very tight and it seemed better to race prominent. Much like Ghostwatch today, got out in front and stayed there.
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Posted 26 August 2018 - 04:10

View PostYidio Yidio, on 25 August 2018 - 18:19, said:

It was evident a lot at this meeting, I didn't fancy R Winston the jockey on Stratum. He basically sat mid division and tried to weave through closer to the far rail. Got shut out as many have trying to do the same on the other side earlier in the week. Does York narrow a lot towards the finish ? Space for late comers was very tight and it seemed better to race prominent. Much like Ghostwatch today, got out in front and stayed there.



Yes i know you said you had a few stopped ealier in the week.

Must admit years ago i would never put serious money on such big field handicaps ! in fact i avoided handicaps usually unless something shouted out at me as being thrown in at the weights.

But well done you for making up all those points ! i sort of keep crashing on the final day of these comps.

I hadnt forgotten about the extra bonus points ! i didnt make a mental note of the returned odds of ghost watch.
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Posted 26 August 2018 - 05:44

View PostYidio Yidio, on 25 August 2018 - 18:08, said:

I don't give the crown up easily :niceone:


TBH, I couldn't understand your first days points, thought you'd been given 25 bonus points lol



I just leave it to journo unless its obviously wrong.

Got the bonus 10 on here and now at 12-1. then three seconds and a 3rd ! so yeah you have a point there LOL

Thats why i said i thought journo was giving 6 points for 2nd ?

Its a fun thing so it doesnt matter ! just bragging rights................LOL

Funny thing yids is that i cant muster up the same interest in the sport as i did years ago.

I used to cycle or run up to the newsagents early mornings and collect the old sporting life newspaper and would be glued to form for a couple of hours before going to work ? that was 1970s/80s/90s.

Very weird ! i dont know half the jocks or trainers anymore.

It was piggott, eddery, carson,starkey, durr, etc in my day.....! Cecil, Murless,Candy,Hern etc.

As i said after 15 years of not following the sport i am finding it hard to get back into it.
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Posted 26 August 2018 - 09:25

The internet gives me an advantage. Newspaper odds were always ropey back in the day.


Yep, the comp. is fun, bragging rights at stake. :niceone:
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Posted 26 August 2018 - 20:13

Things seemed to have been cocked up a bit, not sure what Ive done there sorry.
Regards points I thought it was 10 for 1st
6 for 2nd
4 for 3rd
and 1 for 4th

with an extra 10 points if you got a 10/1 winner or greater. So now I cant remember the actual points structure, can you please put them up again BB save me trawling through back pages when you came up with them. Many thanks. :niceone:
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Posted 26 August 2018 - 20:28

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I just leave it to journo unless its obviously wrong.

Got the bonus 10 on here and now at 12-1. then three seconds and a 3rd ! so yeah you have a point there LOL

Thats why i said i thought journo was giving 6 points for 2nd ?

Its a fun thing so it doesnt matter ! just bragging rights................LOL

Funny thing yids is that i cant muster up the same interest in the sport as i did years ago.

I used to cycle or run up to the newsagents early mornings and collect the old sporting life newspaper and would be glued to form for a couple of hours before going to work ? that was 1970s/80s/90s.

Very weird ! i dont know half the jocks or trainers anymore.

It was piggott, eddery, carson,starkey, durr, etc in my day.....! Cecil, Murless,Candy,Hern etc.

As i said after 15 years of not following the sport i am finding it hard to get back into it.


Funny you say that BB I feel the same about sport. I used to get to a lot more games at the lane, but being a northener I love my R/L would drive from Dover on Friday upto HUll or St Helens watch a game on a Friday/Saturday night then drive back on Sunday but now I only get to see a bit of R/L when the beeb show it.
My own personal sport I do still enjoy going to the gym and doing full body routine, but at the moment am only doing legs, back, abs, and basic cardio IE running and cycling. I am of the weights at the moment as I have had a shoulder op that has gone wrong and face another one.
Regards backing you would never go far wrong backing Greville Starkey on guy Harwood first time out two year old, but my favourite jockey was the one and only "Willie Carson" I would back that man on a three legged donkey. I remember backing Relkino in a big race at 33/1 and it won. Over the sticks dont know if your to young I liked Authur Stevenson one of his horses a real mudlover Supermaster. I also used to follow Monica Dickinson, then her son Michael. Without looking it up can you name the Dickinson first five in the cheltenham Gold Cup. :grinny: That race I won a lot of money well for me it was a lot, I did not only the straight forecast but got the tricast as well, and have never done it since. A trainer having 5 in Cheltenham gold cup and finishing in the first five I will nver see the likes again, not even with three I doubt.I even enjoyed my racing more them days.

But I suppose doing what I do as a minister dealing with life and death, illness for people, and other personal issues it has made me realise there are far more important things in life.

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 05:49

View Postjourneyman, on 26 August 2018 - 20:13, said:

Things seemed to have been cocked up a bit, not sure what Ive done there sorry.
Regards points I thought it was 10 for 1st
6 for 2nd
4 for 3rd
and 1 for 4th

with an extra 10 points if you got a 10/1 winner or greater. So now I cant remember the actual points structure, can you please put them up again BB save me trawling through back pages when you came up with them. Many thanks. :niceone:



It was the same for everyone mike so i honestly dont think it would have made any difference to who won over the 4 days.

I believe we did 10 for first......5 for second.........3 for third and 1 point for 4th where applicable.! (16 runners or more etc)

Plus a 10 points bonus if any selection won at odds of 10-1 or more.

What might be a good idea is to add a nap feature ? if you nap a horse and it wins you get a bonus 5 . Favourites would have to be excluded from this.

Dont want to add complications to the comp but say you nap a 10-1 or more winner you would also get a jackpot bonus of 50 points.

Someone lagging well behind with one day to go would still be in with a live chance with that.
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 06:09

View Postjourneyman, on 26 August 2018 - 20:28, said:

Funny you say that BB I feel the same about sport. I used to get to a lot more games at the lane, but being a northener I love my R/L would drive from Dover on Friday upto HUll or St Helens watch a game on a Friday/Saturday night then drive back on Sunday but now I only get to see a bit of R/L when the beeb show it.
My own personal sport I do still enjoy going to the gym and doing full body routine, but at the moment am only doing legs, back, abs, and basic cardio IE running and cycling. I am of the weights at the moment as I have had a shoulder op that has gone wrong and face another one.
Regards backing you would never go far wrong backing Greville Starkey on guy Harwood first time out two year old, but my favourite jockey was the one and only "Willie Carson" I would back that man on a three legged donkey. I remember backing Relkino in a big race at 33/1 and it won. Over the sticks dont know if your to young I liked Authur Stevenson one of his horses a real mudlover Supermaster. I also used to follow Monica Dickinson, then her son Michael. Without looking it up can you name the Dickinson first five in the cheltenham Gold Cup. :grinny: That race I won a lot of money well for me it was a lot, I did not only the straight forecast but got the tricast as well, and have never done it since. A trainer having 5 in Cheltenham gold cup and finishing in the first five I will nver see the likes again, not even with three I doubt.I even enjoyed my racing more them days.

But I suppose doing what I do as a minister dealing with life and death, illness for people, and other personal issues it has made me realise there are far more important things in life.

Quote "I used to complain that I had no shoes, then I saw a man with no feet"


I loved old greville ! the jock was underrated and very unusual because he was a 7 furlong specialist (in my opinion)

I always backed him over 7 furlongs.

Cacathes won me a packet when they dropped him back in distance (great horse with starkey up)

Do you remember willie carson in the 1960s ? he rode off a weight of around 7-10 and was very good in handicaps before he got the hern job.

Also Lester in the 1960s was a great waiting jockey and then later on started front running ? a mile and a half was his perfect waiting distance.

I remember late 60s easter island had a string of noughts and they booked piggott to ride him over 1 mile and a half and he came from the back to win at big odds.

Lester racked up about 5 wins on the horse before it got pipped in the great november handicap.

I do remember some of the dickinson horses in that race but only bregawn and silver buck come to mind right now.

Sounds like you are happy helping people which is a great thing.

The wife and me give quite a bit to animal causes because they have no voice and are being wiped out all over the planet.

A world without other species is not what our children in the future deserve.

We love our rescue animals we have here ! great companions and if we didnt have the dogs i dont think i would get much exercise.
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 06:15

I still think points should be awarded for price, a 10/1 winner is 10 pts, an eves favourite is 1 point. It makes favourite backing less rewarding and EW picks in the real world are often better than an short fav. I'll score the points if Journo is unsure. Try it once and see how it goes, feel sure Journo would score better and Beagle along with myself would find it harder. All scores worked out on SP. and ew place returns. A 50/1 4th is worthwhile.


Interesting to see who could finish with profit, you could still have a nap, which would basically be a double score on that horses SP

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 09:57

View PostYidio Yidio, on 27 August 2018 - 06:15, said:

I still think points should be awarded for price, a 10/1 winner is 10 pts, an eves favourite is 1 point. It makes favourite backing less rewarding and EW picks in the real world are often better than an short fav. I'll score the points if Journo is unsure. Try it once and see how it goes, feel sure Journo would score better and Beagle along with myself would find it harder. All scores worked out on SP. and ew place returns. A 50/1 4th is worthwhile.


Interesting to see who could finish with profit, you could still have a nap, which would basically be a double score on that horses SP



Wouldnt that negate the placed horses scores ?

How would that work yids ?

If the winner goes in at evens and you selected it you get 1 point, so what would the 2nd and 3rd get?

Presumably if you selected a horse that came 2nd at 20-1 you would get half the odds score then = 10 ? or would you give 1/4 of the odds = 5 ?

Either way it sounds like it would stop you backing favs and you would feel a bit hard done by if you named an even money favourite winner and you got less points than those who picked the runner up or 3rd.

Personally i dont mind giving it a go but will leave it with mike.

Have to say a fav still has to do its job and win its race.

As you know i have an odds on system going and my stats show the percentage that win wavers between 60-40/50-50 per cent.

One lost the other day 1-8.

God knows what the stats are if you backed every evens fav or 5-4 fav ? proably something like 20 per cent win against 80 per cent losers.

My personal opinion is that scoring on sp would shorten your options on any race ! eg ) like saying you have these to pick from but these you cant ?

It would make you look for place horses and surely the comp is about picking winners ?
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 15:14

BB the other 3 were Wayward lad, Captain John, and Ashley House. I remember it well. Ah the good old days, befor corruption in sport.,
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 15:48

Ah yes ! Wayward lad ? what a classy horse.
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 20:44

what always amazed me was the way that Bregawn ran his head was always down, how the h*ll he ever saw was he was going let alone jump fences, his nose Im sure sometimes used to scrape the ground, I loved racing far better then than ever I do now. But I do prefer the jumps.

You mentioned Lester piggot a while back I remember him riding a first time on a track a two year old, finished unplaced and at the end of the race he actually said to the trainer "This will make you more money in dog meat than prize money" That horse was no other than the late great RED RUM!! Never take advice from a jockey.
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 22:59

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what always amazed me was the way that Bregawn ran his head was always down, how the h*ll he ever saw was he was going let alone jump fences, his nose Im sure sometimes used to scrape the ground, I loved racing far better then than ever I do now. But I do prefer the jumps.

You mentioned Lester piggot a while back I remember him riding a first time on a track a two year old, finished unplaced and at the end of the race he actually said to the trainer "This will make you more money in dog meat than prize money" That horse was no other than the late great RED RUM!! Never take advice from a jockey.


There are a few stories regarding lester piggott ! he was apparently very mean.

I remember reading an article by a racing journalist who was a friend of lesters.

He noticed every time he met up with piggott for a meal and a drink he always ended up paying.

One day he was determined he wouldnt pay and when the waiter came with the bill he shoved it over to piggotts side of the table.

Lester picked up the bill and scrutinised it and then passed it over to the journalist saying " I would query that if i was you "
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 23:11

My old Nan didn't like Piggott one bit, reckoned he was heavy handed with the whip.

I guess that's one area the modern racing has improved on the old, rules about use of the whip can't be a bad thing. These days they often just show the whip to the horse, and looking back at some of the old footage when they whipped the living daylights out of a horse in a battle to the line it looks quite brutal
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 23:20

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My old Nan didn't like Piggott one bit, reckoned he was heavy handed with the whip.

I guess that's one area the modern racing has improved on the old, rules about use of the whip can't be a bad thing. These days they often just show the whip to the horse, and looking back at some of the old footage when they whipped the living daylights out of a horse in a battle to the line it looks quite brutal


He definitely got The Minstrel home in the 1977 derby with excessive use of the whip ! something that i find strange is how todays big race winners are chased around immediately after a race by tv coverage personalities.

After teenoso won the 1983 derby piggott could be heard telling them to fck off as they crowded round him.

Things change i suppose.
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 23:31

It's quite well documented that he was a miserable old crab of a man. Not really the sort of narly old goat anyone would want to listen to on TV.

The pre race chats with Frankie while sat on his horse on the other hand are precious little gems.
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Posted 28 August 2018 - 04:50

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It's quite well documented that he was a miserable old crab of a man. Not really the sort of narly old goat anyone would want to listen to on TV.

The pre race chats with Frankie while sat on his horse on the other hand are precious little gems.



Yes frankie is one of those cheery little chaps and very likeable for his sense of humour.

Well regarding lester ? i used to have a dvd of his 12 top horses interviewed by his daughter and he comes across as quite a warm character smiling quite a lot.

I just think he was one of those people who didnt like his space invaded.
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Posted 28 August 2018 - 05:29

Probably why he didn't get the Q of S gig.
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