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#1 User is offline   griff 

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Posted 09 January 2019 - 13:53

In the last few days Jim White,on Talksport has been dealing with the topic of racism in football. This stems from the incident of Chelsea fans racially abusing a black opponent.Jim,however has brought Spurs into his critiscism,not because of racism against black players but because of the term YID or,the Y word as he describes it,suggesting Spurs should do whatever it takes to stamp out it’s use.
It’s pathetic.Die hard Spurs fans who self proclaim themselves as YIDS are not insulting anyone. Most of the YID army are not even Jewish. A survey apparently claims that only 5% of Spurs fans actually are. It’s just a term to show the camaraderie of the dedicated and more vociferous fans.Its certainly not racist or abusive.
Why does Jim and his b loody guests claim that the word should not be allowed. It does not seem to bother Daniel Levy, or Alan Sugar for that matter. Well not even Irving Scholar. We’ve had Jewish chairmen since about 1982. Not sure whether Syd Wale was also Jewish.Therefore Mr White, stop creating controversy in order to promote your show. Don’t you ever watch a Spurs game?Theres always banter and chants directed towards opposing fans but racism?
I get to see Spurs live about 3/4 times a year. I watch every televised game.Do the same Jim and point out the racism because for the life of me I can’t recall any.
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 15:14

View Postgriff, on 09 January 2019 - 13:53, said:

In the last few days Jim White,on Talksport has been dealing with the topic of racism in football. This stems from the incident of Chelsea fans racially abusing a black opponent.Jim,however has brought Spurs into his critiscism,not because of racism against black players but because of the term YID or,the Y word as he describes it,suggesting Spurs should do whatever it takes to stamp out itís use.
Itís pathetic.Die hard Spurs fans who self proclaim themselves as YIDS are not insulting anyone. Most of the YID army are not even Jewish. A survey apparently claims that only 5% of Spurs fans actually are. Itís just a term to show the camaraderie of the dedicated and more vociferous fans.Its certainly not racist or abusive.
Why does Jim and his b loody guests claim that the word should not be allowed. It does not seem to bother Daniel Levy, or Alan Sugar for that matter. Well not even Irving Scholar. Weíve had Jewish chairmen since about 1982. Not sure whether Syd Wale was also Jewish.Therefore Mr White, stop creating controversy in order to promote your show. Donít you ever watch a Spurs game?Theres always banter and chants directed towards opposing fans but racism?
I get to see Spurs live about 3/4 times a year. I watch every televised game.Do the same Jim and point out the racism because for the life of me I canít recall any.



This generation of snowflakes should have lived in my childhood era of the 1960s.

My dad died when i was 6 so it went around my school that i didnt have a dad and was a b@**ard, ! Lucky i was a big lad and could black a few eyes in those days.

Other kids in those days were persecuted for having stammers or being slightly different.

The missus and me cant believe that we live in such a sensitive age but i would guess its online social stuff that has turned us into a nation of snowflakes.

They used to taunt us as being yids at the lane and we turned it back on the taunters by accepting it whether we were or we werent.

Load of fcking b******s.
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 15:33

Meant to be a piece on the "y word" tonight at 6.30 on BBC 1 London news. I'll be out so won't see it.

Does seem the tide is turning on this a bit. Seen a few people who use it say they think it should be left at the doors at the new stadium. Several groups including Kick It Out, the FA and numerous Jewish organisations are now trying to put pressure on the club to clamp down on it.

Here's a piece in the independent:
https://www.independ...s-a8715561.html

Hadn't actually ever watched the Baddiel brothers film. Didn't know Ledley and Gary had appeared in it!
https://www.youtube....3&v=RIvJC1_hKt8

Personally I think there are far bigger worries and more rampant anti semitism than Spurs fans reclaiming a word, but it's not an easy subject to debate as a non Jewish Spurs fan.
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 17:07

I don't think being a snowflake has anything to do with it - a term that I dislike btw - a catch-all phrase used to belittle anybody who finds something not to their liking.

Unless you are Jewish (I'm not) and have lived the life of a Jew in London, then to comment on the rights and wrongs of the use of the word Yid is very hard indeed.

My Jewish friend does not find Yid offensive, but if he is referred to as a 'Jew-boy' takes great offence.

Society is becoming more sensitive and more inclusive. Just because some of us grew up in harder times does not mean that every successive generation should do so to.

And no, I'm far from a snowflake...
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 17:18

Liverpool cannot call themselves the reds in case it insults communists.
Man Utd and Southampton cannot call themselves the Red Devilís or the Saints in case it annoys the Church .
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 17:18

View PostArmchairSpurs, on 09 January 2019 - 17:07, said:

I don't think being a snowflake has anything to do with it - a term that I dislike btw - a catch-all phrase used to belittle anybody who finds something not to their liking.

Society is becoming more sensitive and more inclusive. Just because some of us grew up in harder times does not mean that every successive generation should do so to.

And no, I'm far from a snowflake...



I didnt like being called a b@**ard child in the 1960s especially as my dad and mum were married but i didnt go telling the world how fcking stressed i was by it like this age of mummys little darling snowflakes who moan at anything they find distasteful.

Personally i dont care if you arent a snowflake or dont like the term ! it describes exactly lifes little sensitive moaners.
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 17:20

View Postgriff, on 09 January 2019 - 17:18, said:

Liverpool cannot call themselves the reds in case it insults communists.
Man Utd and Southampton cannot call themselves the Red Devil’s or the Saints in case it annoys the Church .



Yep ! exactly.

I am off from this subject because it just pisses me off.
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 17:36

Very balanced post armchair. I too have a Jewish friend who doesn't mind Spurs using the "y word" but I also know a member of one of the Jewish organisations who is lobbying for us to stop and he's not the sort to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Harder times is relative to a degree also. I'm very glad I didn't grow up with societal pressure to publicize every aspect of my life on social media all the while having to compare it to "influencers" on the same platforms, where they present a heavily curated version of their own "perfect" lives (when most of them are struggling with a combination of manic depression and narcissism). It's a bit like comparing apples to oranges to compare different ages... Try telling a hard working 25 year old Londoner who will never be able to afford to own their own home and has to work til their 70s to get by how easy they have it compared to certain lucky members of a generation whose assets have shot up in value and were able to take early retirement. Every age has it's difficulties and pressures...

I think life was tougher in many ways, but simpler too before the internet made the world much smaller and let any muppet with a computer find a way to shout at more people than they'd ever dare to do in real life. Grime artist Stormzy touches on some of the problems with social media in his book:
https://imgur.com/a/6muxtwt
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 17:40

I'm slightly younger than some of our more mature posters on here. I picked up my love of football just as the term yid got claimed by our support.

I was to young and not religious enough to know what a yid was, to me, a yid was a spurs fan. It had no other meaning.

The term SCUM, is a much more widely used term and far more obnoxious imo.


I thought the banana skin episode was pathetic, a banana skin became the international symbol for racism and the real issue got ignored. Anyone throwing anything onto a football pitch needs punishment.

I find racism and the accusation of racism equally alarming, but acknowledge that it exists and often appears accidentally from both sides of the arguement.

On question time a muslim girl complaining about racism told a white man that he knew nothing about racism because he was white. It's all a little fcuked up.
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 17:47

Is the word Yidio ok ???? :spurs:
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 17:52

haha - until the club and the police say otherwise I think all Spurs related uses of the word yid/yido/yidio are more than acceptable on this site.
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 19:13

The entire subject is down to over sensitive snowflakes. I am of Jewish decent, although not immediate. I honestly don't care what anyone says to me, because I was brought up believing sticks and stones break bones, and words can't hurt me, and they don't. Honestly, don't worry about the racists, don't worry the songs they may sing, worry about the liberal socialist snowflakes who get offended about everything non PC.
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 19:34

I find the whole racism debate to be more about the PC brigade jumping on their high horse due to the hysteria surrounding Brexit and what it means to us a nation and what it says about us.

Racism has and always will exist. Everyone is prejudiced based on the information they've been given and their life's experiences, that's just a fact. It doesn't make that person a racist because situations and experiences can change that point of view from bad to good. A racist hates no matter the facts and reality in front of them.

In football it has come on leaps and bounds even though there's still a long way to go and in someways it's unrealistic to think it will happen based on the proportionate averages. Is football a boy's club?? Of course it is but so is almost every walk of life. People look after who they consider their own, that's just the way of the world anywhere and your frowned upon if you don't.

Yid for Spurs fans was an identity based on where the club was based and the large Jewish community in the area. Every clubs fans wants an identity, Scousers, Brummies, Hammers, Gunners etc, because football is tribal. Most fans mean no offence by chanting against other fans, the Chelsea chants become racist because it's from their right wing fan base but you can't tar every fan with the same brush. Pun not intended.
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 19:34

I am Jewish and I lost nearly all of my mother's family in the death camps in Poland - my mother was lucky enough to be smuggled out of Warsaw in 1937

I am a proud Spurs supporter and the fact that my fellow supporters are sometimes referred to as members of the Yid Army is not something that concerns me in any way. I was far more concerned by the rise of the skin heads in the 1970's and at that time stopped going to watch my beloved Spurs, since the hate from that quarter at that time was palpable. If, however, by banning the term Yid, we are making a stand aginst the racism that is slowly creeping back into football, then it is, perhaps a price worth paying
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 19:50

View Postold spur, on 09 January 2019 - 19:13, said:

The entire subject is down to over sensitive snowflakes. I am of Jewish decent, although not immediate. I honestly don't care what anyone says to me, because I was brought up believing sticks and stones break bones, and words can't hurt me, and they don't. Honestly, don't worry about the racists, don't worry the songs they may sing, worry about the liberal socialist snowflakes who get offended about everything non PC.


So, in your world Old Spur, there's no need to worry about the nazi salutes, the monkey noises, the banana throwers and the religion haters. The true enemies are the people that point out that such actions are offensive...

I don't know whether you really mean that or are just looking for someone to bite.

I hope it's the latter.
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 22:51

View PostArmchairSpurs, on 09 January 2019 - 19:50, said:

So, in your world Old Spur, there's no need to worry about the nazi salutes, the monkey noises, the banana throwers and the religion haters. The true enemies are the people that point out that such actions are offensive...

I don't know whether you really mean that or are just looking for someone to bite.

I hope it's the latter.



I thought we were talking about the use of the word "yid" not all that other stuff ? wasnt that the theme of the original thread ?

I,m not jewish but have often been called a yid by fans of other clubs ! it didnt offend me in the slightest.

I think spurs fans have been clever in adopting it instead of allowing it to be used in an insulting way.

A sort of reverse psychology.
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 23:24

I'm not Jewish, but I do have a circumcised penis.

I was going to get a big tattoo of a cockerel, but I thought nah, lets do this properly and chop off some of my nob instead. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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Posted 09 January 2019 - 23:51

View PostYidio Yidio, on 09 January 2019 - 23:24, said:

I'm not Jewish, but I do have a circumcised penis.

I was going to get a big tattoo of a cockerel, but I thought nah, lets do this properly and chop off some of my nob instead. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:




Iíve got LLANDUDNO tattooed on mine after a drunken holiday. trouble is in this freezing weather it just reads LUDO.
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Posted 10 January 2019 - 06:00

View Postgriff, on 09 January 2019 - 23:51, said:

I’ve got LLANDUDNO tattooed on mine after a drunken holiday. trouble is in this freezing weather it just reads LUDO.



Well the beast from the east is arriving soon so stay in the warm griff.
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Posted 10 January 2019 - 06:29

what a shame that a thread on such an importatant matter has to descend to the level of silly comments about penises.

Time to find a different forum I think

Bye
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