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Posted 30 July 2019 - 22:38

Apparently this is imminent.

He's going to walk away from £8 million a year, Tommy Copper style, just like that.
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Posted 30 July 2019 - 23:19

View PostYidio Yidio, on 30 July 2019 - 22:38, said:

Apparently this is imminent.

He's going to walk away from £8 million a year, Tommy Copper style, just like that.


This is a joke right
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Posted 31 July 2019 - 05:41

I just read something that he said his role should be changed from manager to head coach due to lack of say on transfers.

If that is the case, it won't be long until he is sacked if he starts the season.

This is the same situation as Mourinho and United.

We are in preseason and already he is complaining.

Levy has to take blame for not signing one more expensive player before preseason imo.
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Posted 31 July 2019 - 05:44

View Post50 Cent, on 31 July 2019 - 05:41, said:

I just read something that he said his role should be changed from manager to head coach due to lack of say on transfers.

If that is the case, it won't be long until he is sacked if he starts the season.

This is the same situation as Mourinho and United.

We are in preseason and already he is complaining.

Levy has to take blame for not signing one more expensive player before preseason imo.

If I was Poch I would walk. iF levy don't back you then he should go , this should of been our most important window and we only have one player to show for it ,he looked proper frustrated, what is the point of putting all your efforts to the team if you don't have a say on who you want, It just proves how right I was about Levy, some on here only look at the good Levy does but don't process the bad things he does, because we beat Real Madrid who lost to every team they play in pre season they are some now saying oh we have a strong squad, we bloody crawled to fourth place , losing 13 games in the process, our squad was not strong then lol.
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Posted 31 July 2019 - 05:49

View PostSpurs scout, on 31 July 2019 - 05:44, said:

If I was Poch I would walk. what is the point of putting all your efforts to the team if you don't have a say on who you want, IT JUST PROVES LEVY IS A DICK HEAD.


Poch is not without blame here either though.

When he first started this project, he knew what it was about.

Pochettino wants to have his cake and eat it, in that he wants to be recognised as a coach that did miracle works with no budget and at the same time complain about having no budget.

So there is an internal conflict. He is no saint. If he really cared he would have resigned before preseason like Benitez did at Newcastle. Right now he is leaving us in a mess because he is staying and is not on board.

It actually proves Poch is a dick.
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Posted 31 July 2019 - 06:28

View Post50 Cent, on 31 July 2019 - 05:49, said:

Poch is not without blame here either though.

When he first started this project, he knew what it was about.

Pochettino wants to have his cake and eat it, in that he wants to be recognised as a coach that did miracle works with no budget and at the same time complain about having no budget.

So there is an internal conflict. He is no saint. If he really cared he would have resigned before preseason like Benitez did at Newcastle. Right now he is leaving us in a mess because he is staying and is not on board.

It actually proves Poch is a dick.

We did not spend for three transfer windows and we only have one player to show for it and it is not the manager's choice, you think that is right lol. We have lost fullbacks and not replace them and you was moaning about a lack of defensive midfield options and we still don't have a back up for kane in how many years? If Levy thinks he knows best why don't he manage the team himself.
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Posted 31 July 2019 - 06:59

Problem is , he gets paid to build and develop a team. £8 million a year isn't shabby. He did not take the job expecting vast amounts to be spent buying the top talent. His job is to develop potential talent into top talent.

He's done an exceptional job up til now, if he doesn't have the will to continue developing then yes, he can f*** right off.

Poch out !! Levy in !!

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Posted 31 July 2019 - 08:44

View PostYidio Yidio, on 31 July 2019 - 06:59, said:

Problem is , he gets paid to build and develop a team. £8 million a year isn't shabby. He did not take the job expecting vast amounts to be spent buying the top talent. His job is to develop potential talent into top talent.

He's done an exceptional job up til now, if he doesn't have the will to continue developing then yes, he can f*** right off.

Poch out !! Levy in !!

lol I think we have to be careful what you wish for.
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Posted 31 July 2019 - 09:45

The real powerhouses behind all clubs has always been the owners. It used to be a local businessman who held the reigns, even at the biggest clubs, but it is now multi-nationals. In some ways this has been great for the employees of these clubs, meaning good wages, good working conditions and a sense of dealings being done in a right and proper way. For us supporters there has been a downside, and that is a disconnect from our club. For the managerial teams it is a double-edged sword. They are paid very well indeed and get staggering pay offs if sacked, but the people who pay them that money now demand control. For some managers this just goes with the territory. To others, normally the ones that have a high opinion of themselves, this becomes an irritant that increases with the growth of an ego.

As others have already eluded to, Poch has always known where heís stood with Levy. This latest outburst is either him playing mind games, a genuine misunderstanding of his role, or, more worryingly, a desperate plea to other clubs that he might be interested in moving. If the latter, his timing is all wrong, as the big clubs are all sorted for managers.
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Posted 31 July 2019 - 10:06

View PostArmchairSpurs, on 31 July 2019 - 09:45, said:

The real powerhouses behind all clubs has always been the owners. It used to be a local businessman who held the reigns, even at the biggest clubs, but it is now multi-nationals. In some ways this has been great for the employees of these clubs, meaning good wages, good working conditions and a sense of dealings being done in a right and proper way. For us supporters there has been a downside, and that is a disconnect from our club. For the managerial teams it is a double-edged sword. They are paid very well indeed and get staggering pay offs if sacked, but the people who pay them that money now demand control. For some managers this just goes with the territory. To others, normally the ones that have a high opinion of themselves, this becomes an irritant that increases with the growth of an ego.

As others have already eluded to, Poch has always known where he’s stood with Levy. This latest outburst is either him playing mind games, a genuine misunderstanding of his role, or, more worryingly, a desperate plea to other clubs that he might be interested in moving. If the latter, his timing is all wrong, as the big clubs are all sorted for managers.

It could be that he is frustrated with the lack of transfer activity, after all we have not spent for three transfer windows and only have one signing to show for it.
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Posted 31 July 2019 - 10:09

I genuinely believe his departure is imminent. I accept that when he took the job he knew the financial restrictions, but it's five years down the line, and perimeters move. Getting to the CL final was a great achievement, but we all know there was an awful lot of luck to be had on the way. Without some serious investment that isn't going to happen again. The chances are we will lose two or three players at the eleventh hour, leaving us with an even smaller squad than we had last year. The lack of time in turn will give Levy the excuse we couldn't recruit replacements. Poch will be gone by Christmas at the latest
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Posted 31 July 2019 - 10:11

Oh for god sake what a load of rubbish, Poch isnít going anywhere, heís just feeling the pressure of the press always asking about transfers when it appears Levy is keeping him in the dark
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Posted 31 July 2019 - 11:32

View PostSpursDan, on 31 July 2019 - 10:11, said:

Oh for god sake what a load of rubbish, Poch isnít going anywhere, heís just feeling the pressure of the press always asking about transfers when it appears Levy is keeping him in the dark


Two things Pochettino did better when he first arrived were dealing with the press and having a good defensive team.
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Posted 31 July 2019 - 13:25

View PostYidio Yidio, on 31 July 2019 - 06:59, said:


Poch out !! Levy in !!


Brexit means Brexit !
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Posted 31 July 2019 - 14:38

View Postelectricpace, on 31 July 2019 - 13:25, said:

Brexit means Brexit !


Ray Parlour for president
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Posted 31 July 2019 - 14:44

View PostArmchairSpurs, on 31 July 2019 - 09:45, said:

The real powerhouses behind all clubs has always been the owners. It used to be a local businessman who held the reigns, even at the biggest clubs, but it is now multi-nationals. In some ways this has been great for the employees of these clubs, meaning good wages, good working conditions and a sense of dealings being done in a right and proper way. For us supporters there has been a downside, and that is a disconnect from our club. For the managerial teams it is a double-edged sword. They are paid very well indeed and get staggering pay offs if sacked, but the people who pay them that money now demand control. For some managers this just goes with the territory. To others, normally the ones that have a high opinion of themselves, this becomes an irritant that increases with the growth of an ego.

As others have already eluded to, Poch has always known where heís stood with Levy. This latest outburst is either him playing mind games, a genuine misunderstanding of his role, or, more worryingly, a desperate plea to other clubs that he might be interested in moving. If the latter, his timing is all wrong, as the big clubs are all sorted for managers.



I agree, I've often asked the question of those wanting money spent exactly how much they think is needed to be invested. I usually get the same old tired response that it isn't a fortune just some. Well, we stand here having just smashed our transfer record again and it has quenched nothing of the thirst of those claiming that success is only possible if vast amounts are spent. It's ridiculous to attempt to out buy oil clubs, and the denial of this is equally as ridiculous.

Buying trophies would be easier, but I'd rather win one.
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Posted 31 July 2019 - 18:56

View Post50 Cent, on 31 July 2019 - 05:49, said:

Poch is not without blame here either though.

When he first started this project, he knew what it was about.

Pochettino wants to have his cake and eat it, in that he wants to be recognised as a coach that did miracle works with no budget and at the same time complain about having no budget.

So there is an internal conflict. He is no saint. If he really cared he would have resigned before preseason like Benitez did at Newcastle. Right now he is leaving us in a mess because he is staying and is not on board.

It actually proves Poch is a dick.

So you want a puppet in charge?

If he didn't care he would have f***ed off like Benitez did.

Do you think when a season ended for United in 1999 and Alex Ferguson went to the board and said 'listen I think we need this , or that to improve or move forward ' do you believe the board replied to Alex Ferguson well this wasn't part of the project we started in 1988.

Projects change targets change everything changed when you make the progress we have made in the last five years.
Don't be blinded by your dislike of poch to forget what is best for the club.
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Posted 01 August 2019 - 07:38

View Postwillyid82, on 31 July 2019 - 18:56, said:

So you want a puppet in charge?

If he didn't care he would have f***ed off like Benitez did.

Do you think when a season ended for United in 1999 and Alex Ferguson went to the board and said 'listen I think we need this , or that to improve or move forward ' do you believe the board replied to Alex Ferguson well this wasn't part of the project we started in 1988.

Projects change targets change everything changed when you make the progress we have made in the last five years.
Don't be blinded by your dislike of poch to forget what is best for the club.


Err, difference is Sir Alex won. If Pochettino beat Klopp in the final, then I would say give him more respect than Levy in terms of what he has done for the club.

As things stands, all he deserves is the same fair crack as Klopp got after he lost the Champions League final, and it is on Levy to give him that.

If Poch and Levy have failed to negotiate the next project going forward it is on both parties. Levy for not giving Poch the same investment that Klopp got, in order to come second in the Premier League and win the Champions League the next year, and furthermore Poch, for not walking when sufficient investment to improve like this was not given.

It is also on Poch for blaming Levy in the media and failing to develop a healthy long term relationship for the next ten years.
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Posted 01 August 2019 - 10:12

I like Poch and he's done us as a club and himself as a manager a world of good but the bitching has to stop.

Sadly, he's boxed himself into a corner with no aces up his sleeve to play, that window was last summer when he could have walked away with clubs waiting to take him straight away.

Levy has the full intention to back him but he will never do it at the risk of the business model he's built. It's how he's always operated and it won't change because Poch is throwing his toys out of the pram.

It would have been great to get all targets in before preseason so Poch can mold the team he wants but how was Levy to know no-one was going to fork out for Eriksson and Toby despite them both thinking it was a given they'd be gone by now? Especially Toby at that price. Eriksson on the other hand his agent has been blowing smoke up his ass if he thought he was that good because he ain't.

Levy and Poch have big decisions to make over the next 10 days. Levy can't let them pair enter their final year with out getting them to sign or taking a hit on them as they're the only two with a bit of money return worth much that can be reinvested and Poch if you're that unhappy walk away rather than bringing negativity into the club from the person who is supposed to be the most positive because if things get messy the only person to blame would be Poch himself.

With not a lot of money floating about it would have been great to catch up on City and L'pool but not at the risk of the long term. Klopp's come out and said there's not much money to spend and even Pep's said they might get one more so it flies against what Poch said about those two having complete control. It never works that way.

You cut your cloth accordingly. He can walk and wait for Ole or Zidane to be sacked around October or November or get on with things but please, please cut out the bitching.
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Posted 01 August 2019 - 10:39

View Postaramak, on 01 August 2019 - 10:12, said:

I like Poch and he's done us as a club and himself as a manager a world of good but the bitching has to stop.

Sadly, he's boxed himself into a corner with no aces up his sleeve to play, that window was last summer when he could have walked away with clubs waiting to take him straight away.

Levy has the full intention to back him but he will never do it at the risk of the business model he's built. It's how he's always operated and it won't change because Poch is throwing his toys out of the pram.

It would have been great to get all targets in before preseason so Poch can mold the team he wants but how was Levy to know no-one was going to fork out for Eriksson and Toby despite them both thinking it was a given they'd be gone by now? Especially Toby at that price. Eriksson on the other hand his agent has been blowing smoke up his ass if he thought he was that good because he ain't.

Levy and Poch have big decisions to make over the next 10 days. Levy can't let them pair enter their final year with out getting them to sign or taking a hit on them as they're the only two with a bit of money return worth much that can be reinvested and Poch if you're that unhappy walk away rather than bringing negativity into the club from the person who is supposed to be the most positive because if things get messy the only person to blame would be Poch himself.

With not a lot of money floating about it would have been great to catch up on City and L'pool but not at the risk of the long term. Klopp's come out and said there's not much money to spend and even Pep's said they might get one more so it flies against what Poch said about those two having complete control. It never works that way.

You cut your cloth accordingly. He can walk and wait for Ole or Zidane to be sacked around October or November or get on with things but please, please cut out the bitching.


I agree with this. I'll also add, if he wants to be a great manager at a great club, he is not acting like one. Everyone defending him isn't being paid what he is being paid to manage, which is more than what he was originally paid to manage when he did a better job defensively and in the press.

The other thing is, for some reason, despite this, he'd rather apologise to referees in the press and not the chairman. I feel Sir Alex did it the other way around.

Sir Alex risked his reputation against the FA for the sake of the club, and didn't complain about the hierarchy at United. This was clear for fans to see.

Most of Pochettino's reputation is built around having no budget and developing young players and manifesting more than is being generated. The fact that he is complaining about these things doesn't serve anyone.
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