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#21 User is offline   griff 

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Posted 26 January 2020 - 00:44

How bad must Wanyama be these days if Dier is considered ahead of him.
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Posted 26 January 2020 - 04:08

View Postgriff, on 26 January 2020 - 00:44, said:

How bad must Wanyama be these days if Dier is considered ahead of him.


The amount of deadwood in our squad is unbelieveable. The clearout needed is greater than when Poch took over imo.

That said, I would still like to see Wanyama and Dier given a chance, just because of the fact it is pointless even having them on the books and it was a terrible decision in preseason but you have to stick to it.
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Posted 26 January 2020 - 10:31

View Post50 Cent, on 26 January 2020 - 04:08, said:

The amount of deadwood in our squad is unbelieveable. The clearout needed is greater than when Poch took over imo.



Totally agree mate.

I think a lot of people have overlooked how big a task this is for JM and have been too quick to criticise based on results.
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Posted 26 January 2020 - 14:54

View PostPH1882, on 26 January 2020 - 10:31, said:

Totally agree mate.

I think a lot of people have overlooked how big a task this is for JM and have been too quick to criticise based on results.


A huge issue for the club was the reluctance of the previous manager to play dier and wanyama for the last year plugging instead for sissoko regardless of the results.

Then Dembele walked and it became a nailed down 90min a week job for sissoko and our results were s***....

Wanyama and dier left to rot? Why? Wtf went on. Do we really live in a world we're box to box regardless of any fn ability is better than more settled DM? Was the fact we had no box to box the reason, cause I don't see sissoko as a box to box regardless of his headless chicken runs. None of it made sense then and frankly our midfield fails to make sense now either. Week in week out we generally go back and forth and utterly fail to control the game. Personally I'd bin son Moura Ali and kane all starting. Ali, kane and either Moura or Son. That would leave us better placed in MF.
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Posted 26 January 2020 - 17:06

Wanyama is crocked. We tried to sell him but he refused to take a pay cut - he's basically doing the same as Eriksen but is physically unable to play at any kind of level.

Dier has had serious injury and health issues and has gone backwards drastically as a result. Neither were playable so it's absolutely not on Poch for picking healthy players in Sissoko, Winks & co over ones that were unable to play competitive football.
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Posted 26 January 2020 - 21:47

View Posttomtom, on 26 January 2020 - 17:06, said:

Wanyama is crocked. We tried to sell him but he refused to take a pay cut - he's basically doing the same as Eriksen but is physically unable to play at any kind of level.

Dier has had serious injury and health issues and has gone backwards drastically as a result. Neither were playable so it's absolutely not on Poch for picking healthy players in Sissoko, Winks & co over ones that were unable to play competitive football.

Poch played sissoko as he asked the club to sign him. He was sure he could turn him in to a star and dumped the other two faster than John Terry's pants at a players and wives night out. Wanyama and Dier may have been injured for a period but they didn't get a look in after that.
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Posted 26 January 2020 - 23:13

Lol. Wanyama broke down every single time he got mins. He has a permanent knee issue which is why we're receiving offers of less than 5M for him as he won't pass a medical. Dier came forward to talk about his health issues.

Sissoko was Dembele successor in Poch's eyes. He wanted a DM and had 2 crocks. He believed Dier would return to form but he kept having issues, not all of which have gone public yet from what Eric has said.
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Posted 27 January 2020 - 19:06

Poch has to take some responsibility for not seeing that Wanyama and Dier were crocked and that Winks and Sissoko were not good enough for progression, and that N'Dombele and Lo Celso were not suitable to cover the defence as priority, and that our back four and goalkeeper were regressive and required a change or cover.

As for Mourinho and the rebuild, the issue still hasn't been addressed, so I feel that the recruitment and sporting direction is the biggest problem regardless of coach.
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Posted 28 January 2020 - 01:19

We don't know what Ndombele and Lo Celso would be good for yet. They've barely played 5 mins together yet.

Dier's situation was imo impossible to predict but Wanyama needed to be replaced regardless, even more so when Dembele left.
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Posted 28 January 2020 - 01:57

View Posttomtom, on 28 January 2020 - 01:19, said:

We don't know what Ndombele and Lo Celso would be good for yet. They've barely played 5 mins together yet.

Dier's situation was imo impossible to predict but Wanyama needed to be replaced regardless, even more so when Dembele left.


I'm sorry but it wasn't impossible to predict that one of Dembele, Dier, and Wanyama would deteriorate, especially when they were all injured.

I knew before signing that N'Dombele and Lo Celso didn't have the defensive stats required to improve us in those positions.

Starting the season with faith in Winks and Sissoko was a terrible decision. We had two big signings to improve on them and messed it up. Praying that both Dier and Wanyama would be okay is terrible sporting management. At least one needed covered for. I had this conversation before preseason. Why everyone thinks it is hindsight is beyond me.

The only way it would have been is if Poch somehow magically trained Winks and Sissoko into better players over preseason and he didn't even bother to train a new CB into a new CDM.
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Posted 10 November 2020 - 08:47

Bit of gossip knocking about that inter have offered him back to us!

Would any of you guys have him back ?

My opinion for what it is worth is = no = because i think he has declined quite a lot & to be honest he left the club no choice but to sell him cheap because his contract had so little time left.

Good luck to him though.
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Posted 10 November 2020 - 08:53

Nah Eriksen is now past his best. I don't believe he wants to come back anyway because he admitted he got stale at our club and wants to play in a new environment.
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Posted 10 November 2020 - 09:39

Ship has sailed, we got his best years out of him and it was the right time to move on. Might be the same with Bale too but we can decide at the end of the season whether or not to extend the deal.
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Posted 10 November 2020 - 10:54

View PostSpurs scout, on 10 November 2020 - 08:53, said:

Nah Eriksen is now past his best. I don't believe he wants to come back anyway because he admitted he got stale at our club and wants to play in a new environment.


Apparently they were trying to offload him onto us in the summer when we were in for skriniar but levy didnt want him back after he ran his contract down.

Possibly thats the reason they wouldnt budge on their skriniar valuation because we had no interest in resigning him.

They desperately want him off their wage list ! :lmao:

Think we have moved on from eriksen now anyway.
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Posted 10 November 2020 - 11:27

I think we need to move forward and look elsewhere. He wasn’t even trying for the last 6 months/ year and it resulted in our poor form and finish which cost us a CL place. I doubt he’d want to come back and look like he made a big mistake?
We definitely could do with a bit of creativity but we can and should look elsewhere.
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Posted 10 November 2020 - 13:14

View PostChrisPienaar, on 10 November 2020 - 11:27, said:

I think we need to move forward and look elsewhere. He wasn’t even trying for the last 6 months/ year and it resulted in our poor form and finish which cost us a CL place. I doubt he’d want to come back and look like he made a big mistake?
We definitely could do with a bit of creativity but we can and should look elsewhere.


I think if we can get Tanguy and Gio to play together in front of PEH then our creativity is solved in the middle of the park. Currently the favoured Sissoko offers no final product when he has the ball.

I've said it elsewhere, but if Dele is to get back in the team he has to add an effectiveness to his game when we haven't got the ball. If he can do that and start working like Winks does he has the game to rotate with Tanguy and Gio. If he can find that he can rotate with those two along with Lamela as the two attack minded payers in the middle.
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Posted 10 November 2020 - 14:15

when he was on song for us he was brilliant he was then one of top players, not sure if I,d have him or not, but wouldnt be surprised if we did go for him again.
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Posted 19 November 2020 - 15:14

View PostChrisPienaar, on 10 November 2020 - 11:27, said:

I think we need to move forward and look elsewhere. He wasn’t even trying for the last 6 months/ year and it resulted in our poor form and finish which cost us a CL place. I doubt he’d want to come back and look like he made a big mistake?
We definitely could do with a bit of creativity but we can and should look elsewhere.


Gooners are in for him and the rumours are growing.
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Posted 25 November 2020 - 00:18

I loved Christian but I genuinely think Lo Celso is a better style for us at present with Jose... He has the capability to produce a magical pass but tracks back as much as anyone, always see him sliding in and breaking up play. I can't actually remember an Eriksen sliding tackle?
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Posted 25 November 2020 - 15:51

View Postdieselspurs, on 25 November 2020 - 00:18, said:

I loved Christian but I genuinely think Lo Celso is a better style for us at present with Jose... He has the capability to produce a magical pass but tracks back as much as anyone, always see him sliding in and breaking up play. I can't actually remember an Eriksen sliding tackle?



Not sure where and when you are seeing this magical passes. Lo Celso has never been a massive passer of the ball, he's more of a dribbler/ scorers.

In the last season and a half season Gio has set up 3 goals in 49 games and of those 3, he was playing in the more advanced Dele role and not the deeper cm role he has now. He is not a passer. Tanguy is a bit more creative but even so 5 assists in 42 games isn't wonderful.

My thoughts on the midfield 3 is that is should be made up of a destroyer, a dribbler and a passer. Right now we are lacking the passer, Eriksen would fit the 433 far more better than the 4231 we played in last season, but is he worth taking back?

Other that that, Dele probably has the best vision of our squad, he just needs to revert back to his old central role and be more of a Lampard type player who can still strike from distance.
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