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#61 User is offline   griff 

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Posted 14 March 2020 - 09:38

View Post50 Cent, on 14 March 2020 - 09:04, said:

I don't see a way where the season cannot be null and void.

You can't predict what would happen to relegation or top four and no exception should be made for Liverpool just because they were two wins away.

You can't play the games or extend the season because contracts are up and teams will still be missing players through suspected illness.



Suspected illness should play no part....remember Lasagnegate.
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 09:41

View Postold spur, on 14 March 2020 - 08:09, said:

So now what happens. One thing is for certain, because of the Champions league and Europa league, all the countries in Europe will have to be consistent. Also, because of promotion and relegation, all the leagues will have to be consistent. Three weeks is optimistic, and even if they do start again in early April, getting the rest of the games in before the end of the season is close to impossible. If the Euros go ahead, it's going to be hard to extend the season also. Alternatively the seasons could end now, but there are problems aligned with this. Firstly, not all sides have played the same amount of games, and secondly, the teams facing relegation aren't going to lie down and die. I'm going to take a punt on this. I think the Euros will be cancelled and played next summer, and the season will re-start some time this summer, giving enough time for a short break prior to next season.



The Euros are played in 12countries.....has to be cancelled.stupid not to be cancelled.
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 09:49

Even better than the season being cancelled, can you imagine this .

The season re-starts beginning of April and we have everyone back from injury and we pip Chelsea to the top four .
It would be f***ing hilarious.
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 10:05

If the computer modelling is correct, the likelihood of football starting up again in early-April is remote. We could be looking at a number of months of inactivity.

So. In this situation, any resumption of 2019-20 season would completely balls-up the 2020-21 season. It would appear that the only logical way out of it would be to call this season nul and void. The other way of dealing with it would be to announce that the final league tables are as they are now.

The former would, of course, p!ss off all those teams that have almost won leagues or gained promotion. Those in danger of relegation would welcome it. The latter suggestion turns these ramifications on their head.

The Euros have a very slim chance of happening.
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 11:49

UEFA have a meeting early next week and they're all leagues and cups will abandoned and a new season starting end of August or early September. The CL starts again with the original teams from this season and those in CL places currently that were not part of last year in qualifying rounds.

The big issue is financial compensation for possible promotion clubs across all leagues and divisions. In the PL saying it would be made up of a 22 club league but 5 clubs relegated but even that is controversial as top 6 sides could argue mathematically they could still get promotion and the league cup abandoned for a season to make way for the extra dates.
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 11:51

I think most sensible approach would be to postpone EURO by a year and finish the season in few months time - if possible. If impossible, then construct the table based on average points per game gained by each team. Either way, we wouldn't get to the top 4 and rightly se, as we were mid-table team this year.
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 14:43

View PostSilver, on 14 March 2020 - 11:51, said:

I think most sensible approach would be to postpone EURO by a year and finish the season in few months time - if possible. If impossible, then construct the table based on average points per game gained by each team. Either way, we wouldn't get to the top 4 and rightly se, as we were mid-table team this year.



Exactly and the Euros can be played next Summer instead of the ridiculous Nations League Final rubbish.
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 14:51

Had a dream last night....

Corona causes a four week break from football

In that time. Kane,Son and Sissoko get fit and Jose has time to work with the squad.

Our form improves and we finish fourth,Champs League again.

Jose asks Levy for money to improve the squad

Levy says why,we are good enough.




Just realised I wasn’t even b——y sleeping.
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 19:43

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Posted 14 March 2020 - 19:43

Fair play to the club
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 19:46

View Postgriff, on 14 March 2020 - 09:38, said:

Suspected illness should play no part....remember Lasagnegate.


There were no government guidelines on lasagnegate stating that if one player had food poisoning, the whole team needed to quarentine.
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 19:54

View PostSilver, on 14 March 2020 - 11:51, said:

I think most sensible approach would be to postpone EURO by a year and finish the season in few months time - if possible. If impossible, then construct the table based on average points per game gained by each team. Either way, we wouldn't get to the top 4 and rightly se, as we were mid-table team this year.


Average points per game doesn't take into consideration opponents and run-ins. There are teams on the same level of points in and out of the relegation zone.

Liverpool were on a losing streak and could have lost 8 tough games before the season ended.

It was unlikely but not impossible.

Do Bournemouth deserve to be relegated more than Watford or West Ham?

Even Arsenal in 9th had a shout for top 5 with the form they were in.
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 20:11

Personally I can’t see how this season can be finished...this virus is going to be around for the new few months and they simply CANNOT award titles and promotions and give relegations to teams at 29 games - there’s almost a quarter of the season left!!!
I think delay Euros to next summer. Wipe this season out, null and void it. Keep the same teams in the PL, CL, Championship, League 1 etc so effectively start the 2019/20 season all over again as of August 2020.
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 20:17

View Post50 Cent, on 14 March 2020 - 19:46, said:

There were no government guidelines on lasagnegate stating that if one player had food poisoning, the whole team needed to quarentine.



If teams have lost players through illness but the others are clear,they can play their games after the end of the season. We were decimated by a dodgy lasagne but had to play.
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 20:28

View Postgriff, on 14 March 2020 - 20:17, said:

If teams have lost players through illness but the others are clear,they can play their games after the end of the season. We were decimated by a dodgy lasagne but had to play.


They can't because 1. they will have potentially infected the other players who then have to self-isolate regardless, and 2. the players will be out of contracts after the end of the season.

I am not going to repeat the post again.
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 20:37

View PostArmchairSpurs, on 14 March 2020 - 10:05, said:

So. In this situation, any resumption of 2019-20 season would completely balls-up the 2020-21 season. It would appear that the only logical way out of it would be to call this season nul and void. The other way of dealing with it would be to announce that the final league tables are as they are now.


Sorry to reply to my own post, but the more I think about it the more I believe this is what needs to happen - either, or...
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 22:11

View Post50 Cent, on 14 March 2020 - 20:28, said:

They can't because 1. they will have potentially infected the other players who then have to self-isolate regardless, and 2. the players will be out of contracts after the end of the season.

I am not going to repeat the post again.



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Posted 14 March 2020 - 22:44

View Post50 Cent, on 14 March 2020 - 19:54, said:

Average points per game doesn't take into consideration opponents and run-ins. There are teams on the same level of points in and out of the relegation zone.

Liverpool were on a losing streak and could have lost 8 tough games before the season ended.

It was unlikely but not impossible.

Do Bournemouth deserve to be relegated more than Watford or West Ham?

Even Arsenal in 9th had a shout for top 5 with the form they were in.


Every decision will hurt some clubs and benefit others unless the season can be finished, but at the end if playing games will not be possible, some decision will have to be made, and table based on average points per game is the most fair solution I can think of. Definitely fairer than using last season's top4 for example.
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 22:45

By the way, Liverpool loosing the tile is impossible, even if matematically it could still happen. They're too good.
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Posted 14 March 2020 - 23:17

View PostSilver, on 14 March 2020 - 22:44, said:

Every decision will hurt some clubs and benefit others unless the season can be finished, but at the end if playing games will not be possible, some decision will have to be made, and table based on average points per game is the most fair solution I can think of. Definitely fairer than using last season's top4 for example.


It is unfair to do PPG because teams have not played twice.

PPG is the same as ending the table as it is.

PPG would be fairer if we were exactly half way through a season.

Even then it does not take into account home and away bias.

Using last season's top four is not fair on the likes of Leicester, however it was still possible for them to finish sixth so it is also unfair on Wolves and Sheffield to use this season's top four as it stands.

We have 20 teams to consider, not 2.


View PostSilver, on 14 March 2020 - 22:45, said:

By the way, Liverpool loosing the tile is impossible, even if matematically it could still happen. They're too good.


No one is too good. That is why sport and relegation exists. If it can't be played out it has to be null and void. Competing to win is the aim of the game.
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